Never works.

Ever.

Not even once.

It may appear to work at first, but in the end, you have to either fight or capitulate entirely.

Ask those who believed Neville Chamberlin….Gerrmany under Hitler still went to war, despite appeasement. Ask the jews in Israel…..Giving up territory just brought the rocket launchers closer. Appeasement fails every time.

It’ll fail here too, if we let ’em take even some of our gains in 2nd Amendment issues. Gun control hasn’t made anyone safer. Ever. If it did, then there wouldn’t be the gun crime so prevalent in Chicago or Wash. D.C.

Banning of all guns hasn’t worked in the UK, and certainly not in Australia. (wonder how many buried guns are there, waiting for the day?) and restrictions or bans won’t make anyone safer here either.

All of these examples show that it doesn’t work. “reasonable gun controls” won’t be the end, just the beginning. The bar will move and we will then negotiate (or appease) to keep what we have left  Then again a few years later….. Remember, the gun used by (supposedly) Adam Peter Lanza in Connecticut was legal under their “assault weapons ban” as well as under the old, national “Assault Weapons Ban” enacted in 1994. Banning others won’t bring those kids back. Making another law won’t make his actions any “illegaler” either. He (or someone) had 20 minutes before the police to do his deed. 10 round magazines would not have reduced his carnage at all. He would have had to reload more often, but that would not have materially reduced the level of violence nor his ability to kill those children in any way.  He had nearly one minute per person...lots of time to do his killing. Possibly changing the ways we handle disturbed or mentally diseased individuals might, but that, like gun bans or restriction of speech is something approached with caution. It too can be a slippery slope.

Are you prepared to fight for your freedoms? Might have to, or you become a subject.

Which will it be? 

-50C

That’s like…..just plain really damned fucking cold.

-58F.

I wonder if my woodstove would keep up?

Whoda thought?

“With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”

Via 

Especially when you can use emotion to get people to agree to do something they will later regret.

any surprise?

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2012/12/feinstein-to-introduce-updated-assault-weapons-bill-in-new-congress

Gun bans didn’t help the UK….their violent crime rate is still high.

Maybe this will:

Knife Bans!

Then what? Cricket bats? Spiked shoes? Shovels? socks filled with rocks?

Where does it end?

Expect more “False Flag” atrocities with firearms in general and especially “Bushmaster High Capacity Ammunition Magazine Assault Rifle” type firearms in the coming days. Especially just before the new congress is sworn in. Or some type of Executive Order. Which won’t be challenged by congress or the courts.

Bet on it.

Buy your High Capacity magazines NOW. Expect pricing to go way up in the next few weeks.

Let us assume that the official stories about the last few shooting incidents are 100% true. That the crimes were committed in the exact ways that the officials involved state that have stated. That all the inconsistencies are just coincidental. That all the similarities are also just coincidence. That everything went down just as they said it did. That all of the reports of a second or third person were false, or misreported.

Then lets look at a few things:

 Since 1 in 17 people in the US (13 million) have a serious or debilitating mental illness (NIMH).

And:

Since the last 3 attempted mass shootings were perpetrated by people with severe mental health or emotional or behavioral issues:

And:

Since the current calls for gun control are to ban “Assault Weapons” because they were used in the last few mass shootings. And no doubt will be used in the future if Something Isn’t Done Immediately…

And since those advocating for such controls or bans are claiming that they are out to make the country safer. (“It’s for the children!”)

One would then surmise that along with an “Assault Weapons” ban, they would support, in addition, the incarceration and or imprisonment of every one of those approximately 13 million people diagnosed with a serious or debilitating mental illness.You know, those who might harbor homicidal thoughts and all.

Perhaps even the euthanization of these (extremely) dangerous people. Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of these people?

I mean, since these people can, apparently at will, purchase of otherwise acquire a deadly “Assault Weapon” with “High Capacity Ammunition Magazines” with which to perpetrate their mass murder schemes. one would think that this would be a good start to keep the rest of us safe….Right? It’s not the sportsman who does this, nor the average law abiding citizen, it is the ones with a mental issue, disease, or defect, right? The ones with high level autism, or emotional problems, or others who are, for a time, able to seemingly cope with their issues and be a part of our society…until they snap and become dangerous….You never can tell when the urge might strike them, you know.

I fully realize that few of these people will, actually commit a mass murder, ore even a single murder. But few, if any of the so called “Assault Weapons” will be used for that purpose either.

So along with the weapons ban , in order to make the country safer, we should lock up any of those we already know might have issues and decide to hurt or kill others.

Make things safer in the future, you know. Trampling on a few rights is OK, as long as it saves even one life and all that…..Right?

(No, I am not advocating that we round up or incarcerate (or euthanize) any of these people with mental issues.  I merely brought it up to demonstrate the absurdity of the entire “Assault weapons” ban argument.)

13 million of our fellow citizens with mental disease didn’t commit acts of atrocity yesterday. Nor did 40 million gun owners, nor 8 million “Assault Rifles”. I don’t, for a moment, advocate that we remove the rights of the folks with mental issues, nor do I believe that we should remove the rights of firearms owners….and for the same reasons.

More of this.

All across the country.

Starting immediately.

Add a $1k fine for every day an illegal works. Per employee, 

It’d solve the unemployment issue overnight. (not that many of the people would want those jobs, but they’d at least have jobs available.)

The illegals will come to wherever there is a job.  If there isn’t any jobs (because potential employers would be unwilling to hire illegals) then there would be no illegals.

The only thing that I wonder about in this instance is who did he forget to pay off?

And I have to ask myself:

While I have always accepted that there are monsters in this world, I always expected that they would look like monsters.

Today, I cannot be sure of that.

I am wondering if the real monsters of this world camouflage themselves to look like normal, decent people.

The early reports of the shootings were, obviously, confused. Much was said which was wrong, or only a part of the picture, or was confused or mixed up.

However: at approximately 3:00 pm Central, CBS (national) had an eyewitness state that there had been two shooters, and one of them had killed himself. When asked about the other shooter, he stated “he’s locked up in that car over there” (or words to that effect) pointing to a cluster of police cars.

Now reports are that the shooter was all alone, and there were no accomplices. That it was the disturbed son of a teacher.

Odd…. I was sure that I had witnessed the CBS broadcast, yet I cannot find that portion now. I was wondering if my memory was faulty….Apparently that clip went down the memory hole….

Others (see comments) noticed this as well.

This could be poor reporting in the rush to get something out on the air, but I don’t think so. I saw what I saw, and heard what I heard.

If what I am thinking has happened, and what I am suspecting has been perpetrated, then someone is a very evil person. If it is possible that one deranged man would do this, then is it not possible that several deranged (yet seemingly normal)people might make such a tragedy incident happen in order to further their agenda?

There were similar issues over the reporting of the Aurora shooting in the movie theater. two people became one shortly after the situation “clarified”. Yet the reports were clear at first, then disappeared.  Discrepancies are still not explained in the reports from that incident.  Handlers? helpers? Controlling a crazed and or drugged patsy? ?

I hate to sound like a conspiracy nut. But really, that does not preclude the possibility that there is a conspiracy. 

Could people really be that evil?

ETA: and now it seems the (current) reporting (via the Medical Examiner) is that the majority of the wounds were from the “Assault Rifle” found IN THE CAR after the fact, rather than one of the 2 pistols found with the body of the perpetrator. Interesting that the shooter had the time to carry the rifle to the car and carefully stow it in the trunk before returning to the scene and painting the walls with his brain.

Strange. I know I sound like a broken record here, but the “coincidences” keep piling up. Can a rational person not wonder?Especially after watching the Sunday morning “news” shows, all promoting “gun control” so heavily in the wake of the shooting?

ETA2:

Kid eyewitness
ABC news

Bad reporting? I dunno. Why would the kid make the statement that he did? Yeah, I know this is tinfoil hat stuff. But still. Makes ya wonder.