So, today, in 1992

The Weavers surrendered.

10 days of standoff, countless man hours, hundreds of thousands of dollars….wasted.

All because of a lie perpetrated by the ATF……

Harris was acquitted of all charges.

Weaver was charged with failure to appear (remember, his appearance letter stated the wrong date) and fined $10,000 (the feds had to save some face, right?)

The weavers later sued, and then settled for wrongful death of Vicki Weaver and Sammi Weaver. The settlement was $100,000 for Randy and $1,000,000 for each of his three daughters.

But Sammi and Vicki are still dead.
I met Randy about 10 or 12 years ago…..He is a broken man. Damaged beyond the ability to heal. I feel for him. All the money in the world won’t fix his loss…..But a chance at those agents might…..

Lon Horiuchi was indcticted for Manslaughter, but the Feds claimed Sovereign Immunity… He went free and later, the charges were dropped even though the Ninth Circuit reversed the claim of sovereign Immunity………No other Federal Agents were charged…nor, as far as any evidence shows, were any of the FBI, the Marshalls Service, nor the ATF agents even demoted or in any way punished for the lies, or mismanagement that led up to this incident. Some were even promoted.

Trust your government. Really..

Next time it might be you…..


back in 1992, on this day,,, with the aid of some CIVILIAN negotiators, Kevin Harris surrendered. He would later be acquitted of all charges.

If you’ve been paying attention to these posting, you’ll have a timeline.

Think about it. It could be you next time.

Sommat to think about


Who is gonna do it next time:

Certainly not the Euros….


My Grandfather always said that the US succeeded and would grow and be strong, while Europe would stagnate and die because all of the really adventurous, smart, strong individuals (and their genes) moved to the US, leaving the weak sisters behind…..

Stirrin’ the pot again:

So they are still using Katrina to show how whites were the cause of the Black suffering in the days and weeks after Katrina…….Just because they didn’t want a bunch of people wandering about their town…..refugees. Kinda hard to tell the simply unfortunate from the criminals though….So they blocked the roads and helped them get shipped to shelters. But because the refugees weren’t allowed to wander the town and weren’t welcomed with care packages and such,… must have been because of race….

But that is racist. In a town that is 40% white and 40% black…..A well to do town didn’t want apparent ner-do-wells to invade their town.

Racists, every damned one of them.

Why bring this up 10 years later (and not so coincidentally, a year before an election) if not to stir the poor blacks up (again)? ?

(BTW, read the comments)

Realizing their mistake:

On this date, 1992. Someone at the FBI got smart enough to realize that the news had gone out and that the media and people were watching.

The rules of engagement that had been put into effect on or about 8/22 for the Snipers HRT members were changed from:

     If any adult male is observed with a weapon prior to the announcement, deadly force can and
     should be employed, if the shot can be taken without endangering any children.

     If any adult in the compound is observed with a weapon after the surrender announcement is
     made, and is not attempting to surrender, deadly force can and should be employed to neutralize
     the individual.

     If compromised by any animal, particularly the dogs, that animal should be eliminated.

Back to the “normal” rules of engagement:

     “Agents are not to use deadly force against any person except as necessary in self-defense or the
      defense of another, when they have reason to believe they or another are in danger of death or
      grievous bodily harm. Whenever feasible, verbal warning should be given before deadly force is

that were standard ROE for all other engagements….

Funny how scrutiny changes things….innit?

Trust yer government, remember?

Was up on the hill last night

And there, in amongst the trees I have planted over the earthly remains of my pets, I was reminded of the words of Kipling… applies to cats too sometimes……

“The Power of the Dog”

THERE is sorrow enough in the natural way
From men and women to fill our day;
And when we are certain of sorrow in store,
Why do we always arrange for more?
Brothers and Sisters, I bid you beware      
Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.

Buy a pup and your money will buy
Love unflinching that cannot lie—
Perfect passion and worship fed
By a kick in the ribs or a pat on the head.      
Nevertheless it is hardly fair
To risk your heart for a dog to tear.

When the fourteen years which Nature permits
Are closing in asthma, or tumour, or fits,
And the vet’s unspoken prescription runs      
To lethal chambers or loaded guns,
Then you will find—it’s your own affair—
But … you’ve given your heart to a dog to tear.

When the body that lived at your single will,
With its whimper of welcome, is stilled (how still!).      
When the spirit that answered your every mood
Is gone—wherever it goes—for good,
You will discover how much you care,
And will give your heart to a dog to tear.

We’ve sorrow enough in the natural way,      
When it comes to burying Christian clay.
Our loves are not given, but only lent,
At compound interest of cent per cent.
Though it is not always the case, I believe,
That the longer we’ve kept ’em, the more do we grieve:        
For, when debts are payable, right or wrong,
A short-time loan is as bad as a long—
So why in—Heaven (before we are there)
Should we give our hearts to a dog to tear?

Hug your pets today….