to the City of Broadview.
Jesus, now I sound like MS Misfit, only this time it isn’t hyperbole and half-psychotic fantasy like her rants….this time it is real. They’ve promised to deploy teargas and any other force they think necessary against the citizens of Broadview and anyone they think might get in their way for any reason.
At some point these agents need to be reigned in (or better, fired). They’ve gone from an enforcement action (which I heartily applauded) to thuggery and they are hiding behind their Federal Status and using it as shield to throw their weight around. This isn’t law enforcement, this is thuggery and intimidation tactics and power projection. Forgotten their limits and their mission. Forgotten who they serve. Power Corrupts and all that. Yes, “Gestapo Tactics”…the fact that they issued the warning to the town demonstrated that they have forgotten what they are and what their limits are. That they are way out of control…That they believe they are masters, rather than servants. (I’m betting that these are the kind of cops who wanted to be bullies in High School but couldn’t be so now they get a badge and power).
Threatening citizens is going a bit too far. Cop culture writ large. An ass beating is in order. ‘Tis no wonder they are afraid to show their faces. .
You do realize this is a complete fabrication? You libertarians are awful touchy.
I am a “libertarian”?
HAHAHAH Stop, yer kiilin’ me.
You either haven’t ben reading me for long or you are truly delusional.
And it isn’t a fabrication. ‘Tis the truth. ICE is (at least in this instance) is out of control.
Show me proof that it is a fabrication.
I could be wrong. It has happened.
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Aaawww siding with the wetbacks now. I voted for this.
Then you sir, are a moron.
If they (ICE or Federal Agents) can do it to protesters not breaking any law, then they can break your skull when they choose to for no reason and get away with it simply because they are Federal police. That slope is a very slippery one.
I’m sorry you are too stupid or blinded with hate to see the difference between these tactics and legal enforcement of our immigration laws, which is what I voted for.
I find it sad that you, an apparently otherwise intelligent individual, cannot see the difference.
Do you consider chuckin’ bricks and molotov cocktails at ICE to be legal protestin’? Did Yo Mama drop you on your head as an infant?
Were they doing so at the time of the shooting?
They may have done it elsewhere at another time, but were not doing that in Broadview when the ICE asshole was shooting pepperballs at the protesters.
I expect that you are willing to give up your guns because some asshole at some other time and place shot someone?
Did YOUR mama drop YOU on you head, or are you just stupid as original equipment?
Just because someone did something, somewhere doesn’t men everyone is guilty.
Jesus,
Wow! I’m sorry, but when did you flip? Man, you look like the old poster that I grew to love; but you sound like a leftist apologist now. You’re complaining about the “law” getting heavy handed…..what did you think would happen after all of the s*** that the leftists are doing? Don’t you realize this stuff is real? That there really is a concerted effort by globalists to take over America?
What happened?
see above:
Law enforcement has limits on their behavior. So should Federal Agents. Sadly, ICE has been recruiting from the dregs of the police departments, taking coops that no one else wants on their rolls any longer.
As I said above, I am all for the enforcement of our immigration laws. But there are limits as to how they can do so. If they can do it to the protesters without limits, then they can do it to you and me next time. And the fact that they felt empowered enough to promise the town of Broadview “A shitshow” tells you all you need to know about what they think their limits are.
Nope, if you think that makes me a wimp, fine. But if you can’t see the over-the-line behavior for what it is, then you sir, like Bob above, are a moron.
I agree with Mr B on this – If indeed it’s true – I trust no sources, especially alphabet organizations. The Feds have crossed the line many times
Randy Weaver is not available for comment
Thank you….That’s my point….do we really want to go back to the 90’s, where the Feds could do as they wished with impunity? To have another Ruby Ridge, or Waco, or any of the other lesser overreaches in the late 80’s and the 90’s?
I’d prefer not.
I find it sad that these commenters above are not intelligent enough or can’t remember back far enough to see the danger.
Maybe if the “peaceful protesters” would lighten up— stop attacking ICE wherever they are and blocking vehicle egress and entrances– ICE would lighten up too.
It’s NOT one sided.
So the law can do whatever they want when provoked?
Seriously?
I suppose you think then that Ruby Ridge was ok ’cause the US marshals were…provoked?
How about Waco?
I didn’t say that.
Ruby Ridge and Waco didn’t have communists attacking government people doing their jobs.
The Left has been telling their weak minded followers to attack anyone who was trying to remove illegals from America since Jan. 20.
They’ve been telling their mouth breathers to attack and use anything they can against people trying to rid America of illegals, and they’re out there doing everything they can to hamper the work that we elected trump to do…………. Clean up America.
But those protesters (and the town of Broadview) are not doing that.
At this point you are simply making excuses for the excesses of the ICE boys.
Do you think their actions are correct and decent…that it is OK to shoot at people with pepper balls even when they aren’t breaking the law? Do you think it is ok for them to threaten the police and the town? Yes, it is ok, or no it is not. It’s pretty cut and dried…so either you think it is ok or you think it is wrong.
Pick one.
There is an opposite syndrome to TDS, those who think Trump does no wrong. Like their counterparts, there is no arguing with them.
If a a president of a different name or party did this most of those guys would be crying “we need to grab our AR-15s.”
indeed
Well for what it’s worth, you are not as retarded as Comrade Cow Cnut nor are you the spiteful mutant she is.
But your mistake is basically the same as hers in that you read the same crap she does and you believe it. That thing in front of you is called a computer. With a click of the mouse you can hear what the authorities are actually saying in their own words, minus the turd brained adgitprop being spewed out by the legacy media.
The message from ICE officials has been clear and blunt: FAFO. You have two choices – leave illegals alone and let them do the things that turned their own countries into third world chit holes – or protect your people and kick them out by whatever means necessary and send them back. There is no clean, warm fuzzy way to do that. There are going to be mistakes and incompetence, there are going to be innocent people hurt. I think if you had to deal with illegal immigrant problems in Mayberry where you live… you might see things quite a bit differently.
But whatever. You do you.
I do have to deal with the migrants. And I want them gone. But I also don’t want a police force that thinks they can run roughshod over anyone they think needs it, a police force that doesn’t think they need to follow the laws. That thinks that it is ok that they can threaten the townspeople with retribution because they dislike their illegal tactics. That thinks they are above the law and unstoppable. That’s how we got Ruby Ridge and Waco and other stuff in the 90’s.
The behavior of ICE in Broadview is way over that line. It isn’t a fuzzy line, it is bright and sharp and they are far beyond that.
This isn’t roughly arresting some illegal migrant. this is beyond that.
Agreed – mostly.
But the flip side of that is the guff that Kyle Rittenhouse and Derek Chauvin got. Nobody wants to see that either.
You may not realize it but you are no longer in the middle of the right; you are in a culture war that’s just gone kinetic or is in the early stages of doing so. Wars are nasty, vicious things and mistakes are going to be made. Comrade Misfit and her ilk don’t give a hoot about truth, the big picture or what’s good or fair for the nation – those idiots are killing people right now for simply speaking their minds. They have any numbers of corrupt judges, powerful politicians and expert agitprop media experts that enable them and hate you and flaunt the law and constitution with impunity. History shows what those idiots do when they get spun up and rolling. They killed more people than the Nazis ever did. In China they killed tens of millions.
I dunno what the answer is but sitting on the sidelines, emoting and insisting on playing by the rules when your adversaries are not, and believing their propaganda does not strike me as particularly wise. In times like this, regardless of your politics – if you stand up to the cops and dare them to shoot you – as you defy them in doing their lawful duty…you can hardly blame them if they take you up on it.
FWIW… I’d like to see those people neatly bagged up and peacefully deported too. But if they make that impossible…? On their heads be it.
Whose rules do we get to play by? The protesters rules, the ICE rules, or the rules for the rest of us?
If we get to play by the ICE rules, the I get to shoot non lethal things like Pepper balls and baton rounds back at them since they get to shoot at me EVEN WHEN I AM NOT BREAKING A LAW.
And that’s my point. They (ICE) themselves are breaking the law by firing on (so far) peaceful protesters not breaking any laws. If they wanna change the rules then they gotta play by them.
If we can’t shoot back with the same level of Non Lethal force they are employing then their people who do need to be fired, charged with assault, and otherwise punished the same as if we would be if we shot at them.
Again… Agreed. Mostly.
Look, B – I concede – for now – that you may have the merest shred of an argument. Forgive me; I’m Canadian and not a scholar on American history or law. But I *think* it was your John Adams that asked the pertinent question: “Was it a peaceful protest? Or an unruly mob?” Forgive me again if I don’t trust imbeciles like Misfit, or CNN, CBS or MSNBC to give a straight answer on that. Especially in light of the fact that so far – the difference between the two is a mere carelessly thrown punch or shove – then their protests go from a peaceful protests to full blown riots in the blink of an eye. Then they burn neighborhoods and kill people too. Those lunatics don’t care who they kill either – that liberal brainwipe that shot up the ICE facility killed two illegal migrants whom he was supposedly advocating for.
My argument is that one side has been consistently throwing out the law and rules for quite some time. If that is true, then there is no argument because if one side consistently breaks the rules all bets are off. And if that is the case, and times have changed… all we have is war because your laws, and your constitution go out the window. I can make the strong case that they already have. Ask Charlie Kirk and Jimmy Kimmel, I guess?
If I am correct, then all that is left is biblical law, which is borne out and confirmed by modern game theory. It becomes a game of an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, and your constitution and law become suicide pacts for the guys that insist on abiding by them when they no longer apply to the other side. These guys are telling you they hate you, they want to kill you and they’re starting to act on it. The far left is playing with fires and forces they don’t understand.
For my two bits, I’m good either way. In the real world violence DOES resolve disputes when talk and procedures fail. I personally would rather have our guys in charge when the smoke clears rather than theirs, even with all their flaws and faults. But that’s just me, YMMV. You do you.
Did you bother to look at the clip I posted? It was actual video of the incident. As posted by CBS2 Chicago.
(WBBM)
And the next day, they shot the news van. Kinda puts your argument to shame that it is misinformation. They ICE boys re out of control.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/broadview-police-probe-federal-agent-who-shot-pepper-rounds-at-cbs-reporters-vehicle/3830881/
No, truthfully I ignored the link you poasted because the mass media always lies when it suits them. They’ve edited footage, AI is everywhere, they cite nonexistent “sources” to push fake narratives. They don’t even try to be fair anymore. In this day and age only retards and geriatrics take them seriously. I’m sorry… but that’s the way of it. Wasn’t it CBS saying that the BLM protest was “mostly peaceful” while the city burned in the background? Pull my other finger, B. It has bells on it.
Have your kiniptions as you see fit. For me, if the illegals, the Misfits and turd brained protestors are getting THEIR skulls cracked for a change… I’m just peachy with it and no fucks given. Most of them deserve it and much worse.
Either the law works for all of us, or none of us. Last word is yours.
SO when your skull gets cracked by a ICE or ATF goon then you will think the same way? (after all, “the law applies to all of us” ) If they can act with impunity and with no repercussions, then they can do anything they want….to people you dislike as well as to people like you and me.
All I am saying is that even the Feds gotta have limits and gotta behave and obey laws.
In this case, they aren’t doing so.
I really don’t think you are stupid enough (you don’t appear to be, anyway) to think that The Ends Justify The Means….
And yes, the video is real, I checked before posting it. This was Fox 32 in Chicago.. local to me, not national. The fact that you ignored it without even bothering to check is telling….about you.
If yer gonna ignore evidence then you are existing a reality of your own.
Just saw where an ICE cop shot a pepper ball at a news truck -again in Broadview.
If true , that’s over the top, and the officer should be fired and charged .
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/broadview-police-probe-federal-agent-who-shot-pepper-rounds-at-cbs-reporters-vehicle/3830881/
‘Twas the CBS news truck
I suppose some of the earlier commenters are gonna tell us that she was asking for it…..
Do you remember when the news put explosives in a Chevy truck and blew it up to prove Chevy gas tanks were dangerous? How about a hundred other things they have lied about in the past- well now they can make you see anything they want with a computer- was what you saw even real? Incidentally- these are the people who did Ruby Ridge and Waco, not the current government. I think they will show and tell you whatever they want to get you to say exactly what you are currently saying.
I’m not quite sure what your comment is saying…..
Did you see the video from all 4 networks in Chicago? Easy to find.
How about the video I posted? Did you even watch it?
Are you saying that was computer generated? That is was not real? Please, tell me.
I am not sure what you are saying on the Waco/Ruby Ridge portion of your comment. Please be clearer. Are you saying that they also were computer generated 30+ years ago? No one, not even the government disputed the facts at Ruby Ridge, and hundreds of journalists witnessed the events at Waco.
Please clarify the last part of your statement.
Wow