(especially adherents of Ms Misfit and the like:
I’d like to shit diamonds too, but I know that ain’t gonna happen either.
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When I was younger, I was a conservative. I wanted to keep what was mine, looked distastefully at those who panhandled, and believed that EVERYONE controlled their own life and destiny. As I aged I have become a liberal in my outlook on life. I realize that there are people who will take advantage of others, especially if those weaker individuals have no ability to respond.
The author of that piece celebrates the “liberation” that is currently happening. One has to realize that the Iranian people are not capable of standing up to the authorities. Not that they couldn’t if given the resources, it’s that they don’t HAVE those resources. Guns, weaponry of all sorts, and modern militaristic opposition leadership. For an actual “liberation” it would require boots on the ground. And unlike the Gulf war, there is not a worldwide coalition to get involved. And I would guess that after the current Iranian regime is overthrown, a new one installed, and we pullout after an unspecified time; there will be another void where those in current government will gladly fill. Just like Afghanistan.
There will be casualties, both civilians and some of our own military. And as a liberal that is something I cannot “celebrate”.
Dale
And yet, oddly enough, folks like you with your very short term memories and lack of historical perspective, never seem to remember the overthrow of the Shah.
That was done in a similar manner to what the President suggests happens now.
If the Iranians are unable, that is a crisis of spirit and will, not one of resources.
There has already been THOUSANDS of civilian casualties at the hands of the current regime. How many more will you celebrate if we didn’t act?
There are no decent solutions there are only bad and worse. To choose to do nothing, fearfully, as a Liberal, is cowardice and womanly and will never fix the problem. Trump gave them a path forward, they can choose it or not.
And face it, like the article says, you liberals are like children, and you can’t man up enough to give credit to Trump for doing what your chosen leaders should have done many times over the years. You don’t have the wherewithal or the decency to do so.
I find it interesting that you attribute blanket assumptions over others that have a differing viewpoint than you. How dare you accuse me of “celebrating civilian deaths if we didn’t act.” You do not know me or what I have experienced in my life. Your statement was crass and inappropriate.
I commented on the terms ‘liberation’ and ‘celebration’ the author used. You assumed I had a short term memory and did not recall the overthrow of the Shah of Iran in 1979. My ‘lack’ of a historical perspective does include the reason the Shah came into power (thanks to US and the CIA). All the goodwill that created festered for years leading up to the overthrow.
Our “Peace President” campaigned on keeping America out of overseas forever wars. America First is what I recall the big sales pitch was. This past year he has had our military bomb Syria, Yemen, and Iran. And now Iran again. To what end? Regime change? We’ve done that before in Iraq and Afghanistan. Didn’t work out too well.
Your response of attacking me for my opposition of the celebration of Trump’s use of the military was uncalled for. Disagreement and debate has deteriorated from the US since the turn of the century. I would hope a civil discussion could be had without the accusations and innuendo.
Dale
You condemned the attack based on the fact that “casualties would happen”. I merely pointed out that they had been and would continue to happen from their current government if nothing else changed, yet you thought that a few hundred from a war vs the tens of thousands from their own people were not a good trade….You used the term “Celebrate” in your comment about the article.
I in no way “attacked” you. I merely responded to your comment. If that hurt your feelings, I am sorry that that happened.
I don’t know (nor do I really care) “What has happened in your life” nor does it matter to the discussion here. Grow up and grow a pair, fer chrissake.
‘Twas you that stated that the Iranians would not be able to fix their government. I merely pointed out that the people in Iran then were able to overthrow the Shah when they were in a similar position to the Iranians today, You seem to have forgotten that they had few guns, few other resources, and yet were able to overthrow their government in a manner our current president suggested they choose to do today. You think it is impossible today, but it wasn’t “impossible” in similar circumstances then, therefore I reasonably assumed you didn’t know history (screaming liberals generally don’t). If you think that the “festering” then led to the overthrow their government then why should today be any different when their government that is killing them is currently being bombed to oblivion?
You are exactly what the article pointed out (your last two paragraphs demonstrate this) No matter what, you think “because Trump is doing it, it is bad”. The very definition of TDS. And you are so stuck in that unreasonable and overwhelming hatred that you cannot even see that. And yet you think that despite your unreasoned and knee jerk idiocy about Trump your opinion deserves respect…-please. Grow up
So would you prefer to have let tens of thousands more people in Iran be killed by their government for protesting vs a few hundred in a war to get rid of the current regime?
Pick one. Don’t waffle or weasel in your answer. Which is better?
“As a Liberal” you are demonstrating what is inherently wrong with you people. You didn’t say “No, the author of the article is wrong, and here is why”…you weaseled and tried to say that the Iranians couldn’t help themselves and that the deaths due to war (vs the greater number of deaths by their government) made you unhappy.
There are no great solutions to the Iranian situation, only varying shades of bad.
I’m sorry the truth hurts your feelingses
Usually people grow up and become conservatives, not the other way around. And I find the virtue signaling regarding casualties to be disingenuous.
As B says below, there have already been thousands (at least 30,000 civilian casualties) at the hands of the theocratic regime. This doesn’t include the thousands in previous uprisings that didn’t have the resources available to them now. Or the women who were raped, beaten, and killed because they dared to show their hair.
It was college students who overthrew the Shah. All they need is help. Help they should have had in 2009 when Obama was given the chance to step in during the Green Movement. Something that he has admitted was a mistake.
Let’s not repeat the mistakes of the liberals of the past.
To put it mildly, they must be ‘conflicted’…
That’s because they’re pussies.