“really, who they’re taking is our ice cream men, our nannies and our gardeners” (They are still fucking illegal, you asinine twit, and I (and a majority of my fellow citizens) want EVERY illegal gone, no matter where they came from or how long they have been here)
So, in comments on the Alligator Alcatraz deportation facility , one of my new (and not terribly welcome) commenters used Ambrocio Lozano as an example of why the facility is a bad thing:
Let us look at the facts…..Firstly, Los Angeles. which explains a lot….normalization of illegals not even trying to hide their status, blatant disregard for immigration laws for many years
Second, this was a man who was, apparently, well liked in the community. He sold ice cream.
But: He was living here, in the United States, illegally, for 20 or more years. 20 years in which he could have applied for citizenship, He chose not to do so.
In addition, if he was so beloved by the community, he could have been sponsored for citizenship by some of those people that liked him in their community…(assuming anyone is that community is a citizen), which may or may not be,
The fact that a man chose to live here illegally for 20 years, was confident enough to run a business, in a community and never chose to become a citizen, and that the other folks living in that community see no issue with it is also part of the problem.
I am sorry that Mr. Lozano got picked up by ICE. But he had 20 years in which to do the right thing, to become a citizen, to do things the legal way. He chose not to do so. The fact that the people, the government in LA, and in California, chose to normalize such behavior , that they think that somehow, Mr. Lozano has earned a place here without bothering to become a citizen (or get a green card) is also an issue.
We have laws, and Mr. Lozano chose to (and was, for some reason, allowed to) flaunt them. Is he a part of the crime problem? Maybe (probably) not. Is his presence here still illegal? Yes. Every illegal should be detained and deported. The fact that ICE is picking the low hanging fruit rather than going after the gangsters and such first is an issue, but at the end of it, had Mr. Lozano cared about our laws, or had any loyalty to the US, he could have become legal in one way or another. He chose not to. The fact that for 20 years everyone knew that he was illegal and didn’t care, and allowed him to stay illegally is another societal issue with California and Liberals….and the fact that they use his example to decry the (finally!) enforced immigration laws and believe he is a reason to stop the deportations shows their idiocy. Every single illegal needs to be deported, no matter how long they have been here, no matter how many legal family members thy might have in the US….no matter what, Illegal should equal deported.
Why they think that somehow, for some reason, just because he stayed in a community (illegally) for 20 years he somehow, for some reason has earned a place in our country, because he got away with flaunting our laws for 2 decades,….That he gets some special consideration I do not understand.
How many years of squatting illegally does it take to earn a place in this country? At what point does it happen that your illegal activities get erased?
I’d suggest trying decaf, but dang, I like this rant !!!
decaf is bad for me and those around me……
Wow. I appreciate the thoughtful response — didn’t expect such a detailed write-up from a one-line comment, but that’s your call.
And while I know better than to take the bait, just for the record: I never said Ambrocio Lozano was owed citizenship. I shared his name because he represents something easily forgotten in political arguments — that there are real human consequences behind every headline. That’s all.
If that makes me an “idiot” or a “twit,” so be it. I’ve been called worse — usually by people who knew even less.
You brought his name up.
Do you think he should not be deported? That he should be allowed to stay here?
Why if not that, did you bother to mention him?
PS: They ALL have “faces” and names, and stories Some are sad stories. And they all are illegals who crossed the border and stayed in a criminal manner. So what?
I mentioned him because behind every policy and statistic are real human lives — with names, faces, and stories. Ambrocio’s wasn’t about guilt or innocence. It was about reminding us what gets lost when we only talk in absolutes.
That doesn’t mean he ‘deserves’ citizenship. It means he was part of a community — and his story resonates with some people. I shared his name without commentary to see who it resonated with, and who dismissed it without pause. That contrast says a lot.
You’re right — everyone has a face and a story. That’s the point. Saying ‘so what?’ is one way to respond. It’s not mine, and I’m not the only one.
Yer the only one that I see.
So, again, what about the story. Nearly every criminal has a story. What of it?
So what if they “Have a story”. What should we do with that story. What difference does the “story” make?
What, exactly, was your point if not that he should somehow be given special consideration because he “Has a story”?
You’re still debating with someone who doesn’t exist.
I never said Ambrocio Lozano’s story exempts him from immigration law. I simply shared a name — a real person — because policies affect real people. That doesn’t mean I’m arguing he deserves special status. It means I don’t believe humanity gets erased by illegality.
If your position is ‘every illegal immigrant must be deported, no exceptions, and their stories are irrelevant,’ that’s your call.
But don’t put words in my mouth just to have an easier target
BS. Illegal is illegal. You mentioned him to elicit leftist douche “feels” otherwise no mention. Then you got your ass kicked and are doing the old “I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin'” BS.
GFY and even better, sponsor an “immigrant” from a shithole and let them stay at your place so you can be an even bigger tool and simp.
“You mentioned him to elicit leftist douche “feels” ”
And that is why I think he is a Leftist weasel.
Someone who’s been in the United States illegally for 20 years can’t file for citizenship (you have to be a lawful permanent resident, i.e., a green card holder, for at least three or five years, depending on the section of law you file under), but he could apply for suspension of deportation under 8 USC 1240.65 if he’s been in the United States continuously for at least seven years, has “good moral character,” i.e., has no convictions, and his deportation would wreak hardship on his spouse, family, etc.
I know nothing about this particular case, since I don’t read BS sob stories, but I’m writing this to correct the “He could have applied for citizenship but didn’t” fallacy. He couldn’t.
You are correct. Let me clarify my intended meaning: he could have taken steps to be here legally…such that he would not now be being deported.
GOOD riddance. He broke the law for 20 years.