Municipalities are condemning generations of kids to have teeth like British people……and bones that are not as strong as they could be….by stopping fluoridation of municipal drinking water.
Not one can say they have any evidence as to why they should be doing this.
All because some idiot thinks that low levels of Fluoride cause some kind of unspecified health issues….Despite there being no evidence that low levels have any effect, and despite the fact that since about 1950 people have been safely getting fluoride in their drinking water….and that any dentist will tell you that it makes for significantly stronger and denser teeth, and any osteopath will tell you that it makes for better bones. But somehow fluoride in drinking water in the 1950s on is linked to an increase in “autism” that happened in the late 70’s (But we thought it was food dyes and high-fructose corn syrup that caused autism last week….,remember?) …No one can show any evidence that the levels we use in the United States are anything but good for bones and teeth and have no detrimental effects otherwise. Not a single study. Not one. There have been a bunch of “things called studies” that were so poorly done that the data was useless, but nothing that can pass as a decent statistical study. It’s all anecdotal and fear.
But people, folks with zero science background, who couldn’t pass an 8th grade science class, who can’t use logic, think that low levels cause harm because some “studies” showing ingestion of fluoride at 5 times our municipal water amount may have some effect. But, stupidly, they can’t understand and won’t learn. That’s like thinking that all radiation is bad for you but you still go out in the sun. They drink water with chlorine in it, which is just as much a “poison” but have no issues with that….They are as lacking-in-logic as the Glowbal Warming folks…It’s more a religion that anything resembling logic or science. They don’t care what the truth is. Will all the “believers” all move to Utah or to the counties in Florida that are stopping fluoridation? If they really believed what they say, they would….but they won’t.
The poster child of this is the now-secretary of HHS, a one time “environmental attorney” whose advice not to get the measles vaccination for your children has likely led to the death of 4 or 5 kids…this year. …whose advice is not worth the air he exhaled to speak it. He knows less than he thinks, uses no science in his evaluations but he meets his followers confirmation bias. Honestly he should be horsewhipped for the damage cause by his unscientific “advice”.
So now we get to do an experiment: Kids who get no fluoridation in their water…dental health vs whatever the current claim is for the negative effects of fluoridation. In about 10-15 years we will see….even though the evidence is already there to see from the past. And the kids will be harmed by the lack. Ask your dentist next time you go in for a checkup or cleaning. He or she will tell you that they can tell right away if you grew up with fluoridation or not by the condition of your teeth.
I worked with a guy at a gas plant down south and his uncle lived on a farm in the states that had high Fluoride in the well water, naturally occurring. He said his uncle never had a cavity in his entire life. Lived to a ripe old age too. First hand knowledge.
Ha, you so funny.
Ranting about something you don’t understand. Do actual research, don’t listen to repeated mantras from forgotten sources. It’s analogous to claiming gastrointestinal ulcers are incurable. Surprise, they are totally curable.
Fluoride has no positive affect on teeth. Dentin and enamel are not deposited or replenished once the tooth has matured. Fluoride actually inhibits calcium deposition. I suspect you won’t accept these facts, and want reference. Like I said, educate yourself, don’t take my word for it.
I do understand, obviously you do not.
Check with a professional. Dentist or doctor, both will give you the same information.
If your gonna make the statement that Fluoride “Inhibits calcium deposits” then show a cite. Else you are just hot air. (BTW< you are wrong). You talk about "Ranting about things you don't understand"....you obviously do not. Tpe statement you made, obviously heard from someone but not verified, is patently false. Even the anti-fluoride people don't claim that it doesn't make for better teeth and bones. The object to the side effects. Fluoride makes for stronger bones and teeth. Check with a doctor, an osteopath, or a dentist. Hell, use Google. If you think otherwise then you are either denying 70+ years of evidence or are confused. Feel free to show a cite claiming otherwise. The efficacy of Fluoride is not the issue, but rather the feared toxicity. Again, feel free to show me wrong. Maybe I can learn something from your rant. Maybe you are just underinformed or maybe just being an ass, hard to tell.
Not every country fluoridates their water . Should be an easy study to compare teeth and bones and autism rates .
Effective or not, I don’t believe it should be MANDATED by putting it in the water, leaving those who choose not to ingest fluoride to either figure out how to get it out of the water, or to pay more for purified water with no fluoride in it. Almost ALL toothpastes and many mouthwashes contain fluoride, the excess of which is spit out. Why should it be in the water where the neurotoxin is INGESTED?
For the record, the same people who say fluoride is “perfectly safe” are the same ones who allowed glyphosate (Roundup) to be used starting in 1973, and proceeded to keep no tally on its long-term effects on the human body from then on. This only came to light when most of Europe banned its use due to it being a “probable carcinogen.” “Enquiring Minds” asked OUR “officials” what they thought of it, and were told that they didn’t know, as no long-term tracking of glyphosate had been done since its introduction to our agricultural food chain…
Suffice it to say, I have trust issues with the FDA and CDC…
fair enough. I can understand the argument against mandated ingestion, even if I disagree with you.
(BTW, the “ingested” part is what makes it work to make stronger bones and teeth)…and it isn’t a “Neurotoxin”, but I get your point….But details matter.
“Fourteen recent cross-sectional studies from endemic areas with naturally high fluoride concentrations in groundwater supported the previous findings of cognitive deficits in children with elevated fluoride exposures. Three recent prospective studies from Mexico and Canada with individual exposure data showed that early-life exposures were negatively associated with children’s performance on cognitive tests. NEUROTOCXICITY appeared to be dose-dependent, and tentative benchmark dose calculations suggest that safe exposures are likely to be below currently accepted or recommended fluoride concentrations in drinking water.”
https://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12940-019-0551-x
Also from that article:
“After the discovery of fluoride as a caries-preventing agent in the mid-twentieth century, fluoridation of community water has become a widespread intervention, sometimes hailed as a mainstay of modern public health. However, this practice results in elevated fluoride intake and has become controversial for two reasons. First, topical fluoride application in the oral cavity appears to be a more direct and appropriate means of preventing caries. Second, systemic fluoride uptake is suspected of causing adverse effects, in particular NEUROTOXICITY during early development. The latter is supported by experimental NEUROTOXICITY findings and TOXICOKINETIC evidence of fluoride passing into the brain.”
…The water was fluoridated where I lived as a kid. On top of that, there was fluoride toothpaste and mouthwash we all used. On top of THAT, parents were being given fluoride drops by dentists to give to their kids, ON TOP of the fluoride treatments the kids were getting at the dentist. I was one of those kids. These weren’t “swish and spit.” These were “Swish and swallow.” …I think it’s safe to say the “safe” line was well-crossed during my childhood, and has continued to be crossed since…
I’m not trying to argue here. I’m just saying the use and/or ingestion of fluoride should be a matter of personal choice, and not that of government dictate…
2 things:
1. You don’t seem to be brain dead, nor autistic, nor of lower than normal intelligence….which, while anecdotal, somewhat disproves your claims that it causes cognitive issues in kids (and therefore adults).
2. Have your read the “Study” you posted? The methodology was “An integrated literature review was conducted on fluoride exposure and intellectual disability, with a main focus on studies on children published subsequent to a meta-analysis from 2012.”
They read some papers and agglomerated the findings. No real review of the papers nor the methods they used to get those findings. No real “science” in that “study” at all. Nothing that is usable as evidence.
Further, they do not define “Neurotoxicity” at all….they mention it as a Buzzword, but fail to define it or use it in any way.
In Addition: “At water concentrations higher than 0.7 mg/L, NTP found a low-to-moderate level of evidence. The evidence was the strongest (moderate) in animals exposed as adults and weaker (low) in animals exposed during development, where fewer studies were available at relevant exposure levels. Most experimental studies had used concentrations ^^^exceeding the levels added to water in fluoridation programs^^^.
In other words, those studies all found issues with Fluoride in water …at (generally) 5 times the amount we use in the water in the US. 5 Times.
If you drank water every day containing 5 times the Chlorine level that we use here in the drinking water in the US (or in our pools) you would likely find similar issues or be poisoned…but we don’t use 5X the levels in either case. Both are good in low doses and BAD in larger doses.
You can’t compare high levels and say that that is bad then say that low levels are just as bad.
Read what you cited. It pretty much is a useless cite because it is a poorly done study that really only references the published results of other poorly done studies. I believe that it was done to find something for exactly what you used it for….to point out something that really doesn’t exist. It looks good until you read it, then the more you read the weaker and shittier it gets.
Now, as you statement that it should not be mandated, that is indeed another argument and one that may have some validity. I disagree, but that is another argument.
The claims of “autism” point at whatever the crazies choose to blame that day. One day it is seed oils, the next it is food dyes, the next it is artificial fats, then fluoride, then vaccines, then whatever the target of the day is. The autism folks claim increase in cases, but they fail to mention that the definition of autism has been broadened in scope to include nearly everyone.
Fer chrissake, man, you sound like one of those Glowbal Warmentating fanatics. They use the same type of logic and “science” as you are using here.
Removing the fluoride will damage the bones and teeth of the kids compared to those who get it. The side effect that are claimed cannot be backed up.
So you aren’t going to be mad at the “elites” if they put some other chemical into your water? Some other chemical that “THEY” claim gives better health?
I don’t want some “do-gooder” deciding what I need for my health. If I believe that fluoride is a good thing for my teeth; then I will get it through my dentist.
It’s been in the water since the 1950’s for chrissake. And NO ONE has found any harm from the low levels that we use here in the US. High levels, yes, but then again, at high levels SALT (NACL) is a poison. Feel free to show a study of people in the United States being poisoned or demonstrating debilitating effects at 0.7 ppm…(Used to be 1.2 PPM)
Likely you grew up with it. You don’t appear to be cognitively impaired. Unreasonably fearful about that which you don’t understand, perhaps, but not stupid.
This is a fashion, a bunch of people following each other because it is the new thing to blame Autism on, since vaccines didn’t fly as the root cause of the (not real) “explosion in autism”. It is repeated and promulgated by people who have no understanding nor the background.
Listening to RFK and making health care decisions based on what people are saying on TikTok is not the answer…